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Fleet "Spain got nothing good in PotR"

Fleet "Spain got nothing good in PotR"
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When the Pirates of the Revolution set was first released there were a lot of complaints from players that the Spanish had been "shafted" because they got only four new ships and one new named crew.

This fleet is designed to prove just how right those people were.


La Monarca and El San Jose serve as the treasure-runners with their dreadfully slow base moves of S+S+S and S+L (respectively) and their tiny cargo holds that have space for a mere three treasures each after making room for Explorer crew.

La Santa Isabel will mostly play the role of gunship, but could quickly switch to running treasure if the other two ships start slacking too much and aren't able to carry their own weight. I normally try to avoid putting both a Captain and an Explorer on a ship at the same time because the two roles seldom overlap enough to make up for the lost cargo space, but La Santa Isabel is such an awful ship that it's not going to make a lot of difference. If extra gold is needed, treasure could be transferred over to this ship just before it is unloaded, but this fleet will be getting so badly outpaced by the opposing fleet that an additional +2 isn't likely to matter much, even if you get that bonus several different times.

If this fleet actually does somehow manage to bring home some treasure, Fortaleza Dorada can be set up as a forward base, but don't expect it to last very long if enemy gunships are nearby.





Sept. 4, 2012 EDIT: Switched La Santa Isabel from "Ship 1" section to "none" so if this fleet stays on the front page for another week (or longer) it won't have that ugly Captain picture as the representative image.

 
Miniature list Group miniatures by  
Miniatures without Section (1 miniatures)
  Miniature Set Number Type Rarity
1 x La Santa Isabel PofR 040 Ship U
 
Section: Ship #1 (4 miniatures)
  Miniature Set Number Type Rarity
1 x Captain PofR 114 Crew C
1 x Explorer PofR 128 Crew C
1 x Firepot Specialist PofR 046 Crew U
1 x Helmsman PofR 118 Crew C
 
Section: Ship #2 (2 miniatures)
  Miniature Set Number Type Rarity
1 x Explorer PofR 128 Crew C
1 x La Monarca PofR 043 Ship C
 
Section: Ship #3 (2 miniatures)
  Miniature Set Number Type Rarity
1 x El San Jose PofR 042 Ship C
1 x Explorer PofR 128 Crew C
 
Section: Forts (1 miniatures)
  Miniature Set Number Type Rarity
1 x Fortaleza Dorada PofR 045 Fort C
 
Fleet Statistics
Distribution by Base Move
- bar 70 %  
S+L bar 20 %  
S+S+S bar 10 %  
 

Distribution by Cargo Space
- bar 70 %  
4 bar 20 %  
6 bar 10 %  
 

Distribution by Faction Affiliation
France bar 30 %  
Spain bar 70 %  
 

Distribution by Number of Masts
- bar 70 %  
2 bar 20 %  
4 bar 10 %  
 

Distribution by Point Value
- bar 10 %  
1 bar 30 %  
13 bar 10 %  
2 bar 20 %  
3 bar 10 %  
8 bar 10 %  
9 bar 10 %  
 

Distribution by Rarity
C bar 80 %  
U bar 20 %  
 

Distribution by Type
Crew bar 60 %  
Fort bar 10 %  
Ship bar 30 %  
 



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woelf
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Subject:    Posted: November 3, 2009 08:50 am

(Hopefully everyone will be able to pick up on the intentionally sarcastic tone of this fleet's description.)

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Note to LordStu: Even though this one is consists of stuff from only one set (and nationality!), feel free to exclude it from your contest. Pretty much anything made from PotR is going to have an unfair advantage over fleets from other sets. This one could hold its own even against most mixed-set and mixed-nationality fleets.
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Subject:    Posted: November 3, 2009 04:26 pm


quote from woelf:
Note to LordStu: Even though this one is consists of stuff from only one set (and nationality!), feel free to exclude it from your contest. Pretty much anything made from PotR is going to have an unfair advantage over fleets from other sets. This one could hold its own even against most mixed-set and mixed-nationality fleets.


Since there's no "Official Contest", there's not really any "Official Entries" either, but if there were, this one would fit in quite nicely, thanks, woelf!

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As I said, this is a nice little Spanish fleet, although, you could've gotten the other ship Spain got from Po tR(La Caz adora) in there if you really wanted to, either that or the crewman(Diego Cesar Ola no) they got, but then it would've been a little harder to prove your point.

The Santa Isabel looks a little vulnerable(well, OK, a lot vulnerable) to Mermaids - there, I said it - but La Mona rca and El San Jose will probably win the game anyway, especially if an opponent takes the time out to deal with her. (Myself, I might save Mermaids for La Mona rca at one of those critical moments.) It's almost enough to change the 5 to a 4, as I'm sure others will point it out, too - with no +5 builder and a FotG to bail it out, this time...Ain't this pure-set stuff great?!

Yeah, Pot SM, Pot CC, and Po tR(and Pa OE to a large degree) kind of defeat the purpose of the challenge since each nation generally has an abundance of generic crew at their disposal, but it's still nice to see what new twists can be put on them - if they're not too impressive, I'll probably score them like I would a fleet using the one-off factions(choosing to build with Spain is about as impressive as it gets with Po tR ). Staying away from Po tR will thankfully prevent Mermaids comments like above(guilty as charged ), but it will mean no Forts, too, if one also stays away from Pot CC.

So far it's been very interesting to see how players are "addicted" to Helmsmen and Explorers...

(This spell check is ridiculous! Look at La Mona rca - how does that make any sense??)
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Subject:    Posted: November 4, 2009 04:44 pm

well, I'm going to give this fleet a four, and I hope you're not offended. I myself am a spanish player, (but more french. sorry.) This fleet should not be focused on how spain got shafted, but what you can do with it. The four-mast should REALLY be moved to another treasure runner, with a captain and an explorer (or even an S- explorer... even better. ) The fleet was excellent, and I would've given it a five if you had not focused/mentioned how Spain got shafted. I hope I am not taking this the wrong way, and am really sorry if I am. I just hope I won't get booed of the websight for insulting a very respected user. sorry if I am.

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Subject:    Posted: November 9, 2009 07:01 am

I guess the intentional sarcasm wasn't as obvious as I intended it to be. Spain really didn't get shafted in PotR - sure they got only a small handful of things, but what they did get are some of the best ships in the entire game.

La Monarca is right up there with Banshee's Cry and Le Bon Marin when it comes to high-end treasure-runners, but with the added advantage that it will never make you feel dirty or ashamed when you add it to a fleet.

La Santa Isabel is probably the best "hybrid" ship ever created, because it can run treasure and fight equally well - how you use it pretty much comes down to the crew you put onboard.


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As I said, this is a nice little Spanish fleet, although, you could've gotten the other ship Spain got from Po tR(La Caz adora) in there if you really wanted to, either that or the crewman(Diego Cesar Ola no) they got, but then it would've been a little harder to prove your point.
I thought about trying to squeeze one of those two in, but with only 40 points to work with it just wasn't going to happen. Diego's 7-point cost is just too much in a 40-point game, and while La C is a pretty decent little ship, El San Jose is the better treasure-runner.

If it had been an 80 or even 60 point fleet, both of those definitely would have appeared though.


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The Santa Isabel looks a little vulnerable(well, OK, a lot vulnerable) to Mermaids - there, I said it - but La Mona rca and El San Jose will probably win the game anyway, especially if an opponent takes the time out to deal with her. (Myself, I might save Mermaids for La Mona rca at one of those critical moments.) However, it's unfortunately enough to change a 5 to a 4, as I'm sure others will point it out, too - no +5 builder and a FotG to bail it out, this time...Ain't this pure-set stuff great?!
Unfortunately yes, the Mermaid ugliness is impossible to avoid in a Revolution-pure set.

Although, I suspect that in general most opponents would slap that thing onto La Santa Isabel the first chance they got because it looks like the biggest threat and with all those crew onboard would suffer the greatest penalty. Tagging La Monarca or San Jose at the right moment could be the smarter move, but only if you had a ship near enough to capitalize on it.
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Subject:    Posted: June 29, 2011 01:17 pm

woelf, I think this fleet is great. Loved the description, made me laugh almost as much as lordstu's Zeus fleet
I don't know why all of these good fleets keep disappearing. People please start voting again! We have had the same fleet of the week for at least 3 weeks!
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Subject:    Posted: July 1, 2011 11:17 pm

I like your sense of humor. At first, I thought that Spain got the short end in PofR but when I saw La Santa Isabel it looked a lot brighter for them. Until I read your fleet description, I didn't even know about La Monarca. I think I will be adding it to my top most wanted list. Great Fleet!
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Subject:    Posted: February 16, 2012 05:08 am

I could not agree more woelf, Spain did get the shaft in the Revolution release. I feel sooooooo sorry for them, tears stream down my face in anguish for Spanish admirals everywhere. Bah!

One of the nice things about building a nation pure fleet from a single expansion, for this set and the Spanish, it requires very little in the way of iteration. I mean how many fleets could you build, really? Diego is an over priced Marine (as they all are I think), and his ability applies only to him (This crew gets...). That just leaves the remaining four ships, over which the choice dwindles to El San Jose v. La Cazadora, and can you really go wrong with either one. Jeez. Spain got some awesome ships in this release.

I too did laugh aloud when reading your description, dripping sarcasm, love it.



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I didn't even know about La Monarca.


Whatchyou talkin 'bout Willis?
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Subject:    Posted: July 2, 2012 05:12 pm

Judging by the checklist, which would be the best glimpse players could get at the time of PotR's release, Spain definitely got the shaft. I wonder what the designers were thinking when they made this?

A solid fleet, no doubt. Everything about these ships stats are pretty maxed out. I'm not sure what else to say about that.

However, some of my concerns for this fleet (Since it heads in the direction of extreme competitiveness) are the Isabel's cannons and her inability to receive extra actions. That is important, I think. But, I guess if things are played smartly and luck hasn't completely deserted you, she should be able to compensate. Still, I just don't see her taking on the brutes of this set. But, I guess with her and her comrade's swiftness it might not play much of a factor. The other thing is that 3 cargo might not be enough for the two treasure runners, and you might have to leave the explorers at your home island. I suppose they can always go picking around for better treasures, but, still... Also, if the Isabel runs into trouble or can't be there, her ability might not be able to be used. But, I guess her job IS just to make sure everyone gets home safely and she doesn't HAVE to go after the opponent's fleet.

I'm dithering between a 4 and a 5, but, I think I'll go for a 5. Nice job, and hopefully this will finally get front-paged! It's about time we changed things up around here!
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