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Subject: Ranking: English gold runners   PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:38 pm Reply with quote

This is the second of the Rankings threads after the first one detailed the best English gunships in the game.

Now, onto the treasure runners! England is notorious and stereotyped for having the best fighting fleet and one of the worst fleets for gathering gold, but I know from personal experience that they're much better at gold running than most people think. Here's proof. Cool

Top 10 English Treasure Runners:

1. Aberdeen Baron

One of the only 5 masters in the game that's viable as a treasure runner, the Aberdeen Baron has been a staple in my English fleets. The built-in explorer ability makes her fantastic. Some will disagree with her placement here because she's not dirt-cheap and only has S+S speed. However, for 14 points (with a helmsman) you have an extremely durable runner sailing at S+S+S with room for 4 coins. Having extra masts that can be taken down is invaluable because it allows her to get home without sinking. Only 1 or 2 hits are required to dismast and therefore stop a lot of the best treasure runners in this game. The Baron is a very unique ship that deserves recognition for her greatness.

2. HMS Lady Provost

This one is expensive but worth it. The Provost combines speed (S+L) with a huge cargo hold (6 spaces!). She would be #2 on this list even without the HI-raiding ability, which is perfect for a gold runner like this one. That ability makes her contend for the #1 spot, but I had to choose 5 masts for 12 points rather than 2 masts for 13 points.

This ship only needs an explorer to get started, which ties the Baron at 14 points overall. Add a helmsman for S+L+S speed. Just be careful with the Provost because you don't want your rather pricy investment to get hit.

3. HMS Hound

Here's a more typical runner of which England has very few. Simple but effective, the Hound combines adequate speed with adequate cargo space. Plop an explorer on her and she comes in at 8 points. I gave her a slight edge over the next ship because she's a point cheaper and has a more useful ability. Her ability may not help her directly, but it can help out the rest of your fleet in numerous ways.

4. HMS Alexander

Very similar to the Hound but a point more expensive. Between her guns and ability she's more capable of putting up a fight, but any fleet (especially an English one) had better not be using her for combat.

5. HMS Cumberland

One of the cheapest ships in the English navy. This ship really needs a helmsman to move quickly enough, but for 7 points L+S movement with 3 spaces available is a great deal. Adding an explorer brings it to 8 points but then you'll only have room for two treasures. In addition, this little pest has fantastic cannons, which makes her the perfect ship on which to put a captain and a helmsman and become an effective support gunship. In that scenario she would still have two spaces available, perfect for stealing gold from enemy runners. Overall a very versatile ship.

6. HMS Dover

The Dover isn't always a treasure runner due to her large size and serviceable guns. However, in England's fleet she fits better as a gold ship because they have so many better fighting options. She can also be used to do both. For 13 points (with a helmsman and explorer), the Dover moves S+S+S with 3 spaces available for gold. She is similar to the Aberdeen Baron when crewed with at least an explorer. Again, durability is an underrated aspect of running gold.

7. HMS Trepassey

It should say "+S" to her base move, but even with L+S+S speed on the way out this ship is one of the fastest the English have. Unfortunately this means she can't carry an explorer, but 7 points is still a nice price for being able to move L+S+S to an island, take the best three treasures, and sail back at L+S.

8. HMS Gibraltar

This ship completes the trio of English two masters from CC. The Gibraltar isn't the worst of the three - you could make a case that she's the best! However, for strictly treasure running she loses a few points for being expensive and having less cargo space than the other two. This is one of the more versatile ships England has. Send her out with an explorer and she'll be able to grab a few coins at S+S+S speed, or she can raid an enemy HI when they least expect it. It's also feasible to send her out with a captain and use her effective guns to support your main gunship and/or raid enemy gold runners and use her two spaces to steal gold from them.

9. Honu Iki

This ship has everything going in it's favour. Good speed, a lot of cargo space, a decent ability, a nice gun, and Super Rare status. This ship isn't one of the very best, but she gets the job done. I would recommend either a helmsman or explorer, or possibly both depending on your preferences.

10. Sea Tiger/HMS Antelope

I put these two together since they're so similar. I have both and they're effective for their point cost. Both have no ability, so it's up to you if you want to pay the extra point to get the extra speed and slightly more maneuverability.

Honorable mentions (in no particular order): Edinburgh Trader, HMS Hyena, Bilge, HMS Galway, HMS Hermes, HMS Sea Phoenix, HMS Snipe, St. George, HMS Bath, HMS Half Moon, HMS Starbuck, HMS Discovery, HMS Greyhound, HMS Yardbird, HMS Oxford, HMS Swallow, HMS Cheshire, HMS Prince of Chichester, HMS Rye, HMS Patagonia, HMS King Edward, Metal Dragon, HMS Swiftsure, HMS Durham, Maui's Fishhook

This was actually harder than ranking the gunships; some of these rankings could easily be changed a bit. In addition, some of the honorable mentions just barely missed the cut.
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Subject:    PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:25 pm Reply with quote

Very nice once again!

A suggestion as well. You mentioned perhaps having a hybrid section. What about an artwork section? That way some lesser known ships could get a chance at the spot light? I'd do it myself, but my collection isn't very large and so I can't judge a large pool of ships.
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Subject:    PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:10 am Reply with quote

cannonfury wrote:
Very nice once again!

A suggestion as well. You mentioned perhaps having a hybrid section. What about an artwork section? That way some lesser known ships could get a chance at the spot light? I'd do it myself, but my collection isn't very large and so I can't judge a large pool of ships.


Hmmm, that's interesting. I don't think I'll have time for it right now especially with all the other threads. If you wanted to play around with it you can easily see the artwork for (almost) all of the ships by using the "search for a miniature" function. Example: All English ships sorted by set.

That being said, perhaps I could pick my favorite one or two for each faction at some point.
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Subject:    PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:45 am Reply with quote

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cannonfury wrote:
Very nice once again!

A suggestion as well. You mentioned perhaps having a hybrid section. What about an artwork section? That way some lesser known ships could get a chance at the spot light? I'd do it myself, but my collection isn't very large and so I can't judge a large pool of ships.


Hmmm, that's interesting. I don't think I'll have time for it right now especially with all the other threads. If you wanted to play around with it you can easily see the artwork for (almost) all of the ships by using the "search for a miniature" function. Example: All English ships sorted by set.

That being said, perhaps I could pick my favorite one or two for each faction at some point.


I thought of doing it this way, but you simply don't get the fullness of each ship's artwork. Take the Crocodile . I wouldn't have guessed that it had actual crocodiles printed on its deck from the picture, and it is now one of my favorite ships, artistically speaking.
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Subject:    PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:32 pm Reply with quote

Great list! Can't argue with the top four, those are in a class by themselves and my go to ships for the English. In fact, one of my favorite memories has to do with the Aberdeen Baron. In a multiplayer game, it was near the end, and my one treasure runner had nearly 10 gold on it, which everyone kinda knew about. (I think Rum was involved). Anyway, it was guessed that if I got that gold home, I would win, as the other islands were basically empty. Because my friends hate me (lol), they decided to stop me at all costs, and teamed up to try and stop me.

My lead gunship was 1 masted and far away, so the only help I had left to protect the gold ship was the Aberdeen Baron (i think it was a 50 or 60 pt game). Anyway, the Baron used her huge size to physically block some of the attacking gunships. It was able to ram and block 3 small gunships, all by itself - they continued to miss it with almost every shot.

One ship managed to get by it, and looked to be able to catch the gold ship before making to my HI... until an iceberg moved perfectly in its way. Oh, it was a sweet victory lol.

Anyway, if you are going to make a hybrid list, then I think the Dover belongs there not here (alolng with the Hyena). (IN mind they can't be on both). I don't think I have EVER used the Dover and not put a captain on her, but maybe that is my bloodlust.

I also have trouble with ships like the Antelope that have only 2 cargo. I know it is cheap and your only options sometimes with expensive English gunships, but its very annoying sometimes.

I would get rid of the Dover, and probably promote the Bilge or Half Moon. Here would be my list:

1) Aberdeen Baron
2) Hound
3) Alexander
4) Lady Provost (just because of her cost)
5) Cumberland
6) Trespassey
7) Gibaltar
Cool Half Moon
9) Bilge
10) Honu Iki
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Subject:    PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:07 pm Reply with quote

I would also suggest HMS Caledonia , can't beat the price tag on that ship for the amount of masts you're getting (disregarding the ludicrously rare Castigue), letting her be a resilient treasure runner at a bargain price.
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Subject:    PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:38 pm Reply with quote

cannonfury wrote:
I would also suggest HMS Caledonia , can't beat the price tag on that ship for the amount of masts you're getting (disregarding the ludicrously rare Castigue), letting her be a resilient treasure runner at a bargain price.


I considered the Caledonia for both lists as a honorable mention. I feel that L speed and having less cargo spaces than masts is a big detriment for a treasure runner to have. Even if you add an explorer or helmsman she's still slow/only has two spaces left. She is a nice ship though.
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